Clips4sale got more bananas

Followed this kind of thing, for many years.
It started in the 1990's with the we must protect the chi***en bullshit, but then they discovered they could pressure credit card companies.

Although a few things go farther back to the 1970's when I first started watching adult stuff. there was a belief for several decades prior to that, in that they believed sexual intercourse and bondage together was not legal, but around the 1970's was when some folks actually researched the laws and could find nothing about that being true. So that was when you would start seeing videos with both sex and bondage together.

Side note on that though in in the silent and pre code era, some adult movies had that together, but kind of disappeared even from porn once the code took effect (or at least I can not find many examples after that point until the 1970's).

On PayPal,
Digital nudity and especially Porn bad
Physical item okay as long as there is NOT gratuitous nudity on the website.
I have to date never had a problem with PayPal other then the one time we transferred the business account to me personally from one of the partners, even though the address was my house in both cases. Had to send them more info than I really wanted to prove I was me.

Interestingly they do not generally have a problem if you sell a digital copy on a physical medium (such as USB drive, CD, DVD), or at least not a problem as long as you keep the images/videos on the web site "clean". (I always listed it as CD or USB key with data on the invoice). Been years since I needed to do this though.

And on a note, unless I am saving up for a purchase I plan on using PayPal for, I will mostly clear my PayPal once per week if it is over $500, I usually leave between $50 and $100 for small purchases. If it gets over $2500, I transfer at my earliest opportunity minus any potential funds I need. even in the middle of the week. While happening less, PayPal still has a rep of stealing people's money if they violate TOS.

Bit of trivia for Gumroad. I discovered they no longer allow me to post image sets that contain nude images, But at least for a time they were still up there, although I think they took them down since last I looked.

I am on BentBox these days, payments from sales when I initiate them go direct to bank. BentBox is the 6th site I have sold my image sets on, the others going away for one reason or another over the years. I spent all of last year into this year uploading my sets more at first, but then once per day until all were uploaded. as far as the ones that I have taken are done and I plan to release anyway. So far so good.

Images4Sale (I4S) part of C4S was #4 site my image sets were on. I suspect the image sets were not getting enough to justify keeping them on the servers, although I was bringing in between $150 and $300 a year just from my site, after their cut. Multiple that by number of people selling sets and they should have been making good money off that.

And then of course there is the whole Title 18 2257 thing.
 
Cracking down all over: I can't even sign into C4S without establishing my identity...simple enough to do, albeit irritating, but it puts my info out there where a computer breach can cause me problems. (Hell, my bank and credit card companies and even our local tax office has been hacked). Porn Hub doesn't allow people from my state to log in. Some other sites are requiring proof of ID, too. I don't visit any of those sites, of course. BTW - and I'm sorry for grousing and even probably derailing the topic a bit, but our old friends at DA who hate even the most artistic, non-invasive, and sometimes humorous cannibal things (like Shapeshifter's and Gwen-Dola's) seemingly have no issue with ****age boys and girls showing their bare feet for people to drool over in the comments and - I assume - in person. Again, sorry for venting.
 
D.A. does seem to allow apples in mouth, nyotaimori, (both of which I have on my page) and some anime cannibalism, but anything remotely realistic seems to be out.
 
our old friends at DA who hate even the most artistic, non-invasive, and sometimes humorous cannibal things (like Shapeshifter's and Gwen-Dola's) seemingly have no issue with ****age boys and girls showing their bare feet for people to drool over in the comments and - I assume - in person. Again, sorry for venting.
I fucking hate the double standards. Promoting something so much more common as CP type stuff as appose to totally bonkers and unrealistic vore fantasy stuff. So dumb.

Followed this kind of thing, for many years.
It started in the 1990's with the we must protect the chi***en bullshit, but then they discovered they could pressure credit card companies.

Although a few things go farther back to the 1970's when I first started watching adult stuff. there was a belief for several decades prior to that, in that they believed sexual intercourse and bondage together was not legal, but around the 1970's was when some folks actually researched the laws and could find nothing about that being true. So that was when you would start seeing videos with both sex and bondage together.

Side note on that though in in the silent and pre code era, some adult movies had that together, but kind of disappeared even from porn once the code took effect (or at least I can not find many examples after that point until the 1970's).

On PayPal,
Digital nudity and especially Porn bad
Physical item okay as long as there is NOT gratuitous nudity on the website.
I have to date never had a problem with PayPal other then the one time we transferred the business account to me personally from one of the partners, even though the address was my house in both cases. Had to send them more info than I really wanted to prove I was me.

Interestingly they do not generally have a problem if you sell a digital copy on a physical medium (such as USB drive, CD, DVD), or at least not a problem as long as you keep the images/videos on the web site "clean". (I always listed it as CD or USB key with data on the invoice). Been years since I needed to do this though.

And on a note, unless I am saving up for a purchase I plan on using PayPal for, I will mostly clear my PayPal once per week if it is over $500, I usually leave between $50 and $100 for small purchases. If it gets over $2500, I transfer at my earliest opportunity minus any potential funds I need. even in the middle of the week. While happening less, PayPal still has a rep of stealing people's money if they violate TOS.

Bit of trivia for Gumroad. I discovered they no longer allow me to post image sets that contain nude images, But at least for a time they were still up there, although I think they took them down since last I looked.

I am on BentBox these days, payments from sales when I initiate them go direct to bank. BentBox is the 6th site I have sold my image sets on, the others going away for one reason or another over the years. I spent all of last year into this year uploading my sets more at first, but then once per day until all were uploaded. as far as the ones that I have taken are done and I plan to release anyway. So far so good.

Images4Sale (I4S) part of C4S was #4 site my image sets were on. I suspect the image sets were not getting enough to justify keeping them on the servers, although I was bringing in between $150 and $300 a year just from my site, after their cut. Multiple that by number of people selling sets and they should have been making good money off that.

And then of course there is the whole Title 18 2257 thing.
Interesting history
 
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I have to say as far as customer/client service is concerned that's a fairly good and open response from C4S. I had stopped buying from there after this thread, but since they are making an effort to make clear what is or isn't allowed rather than just full ban like those Degen's at deviant, I'll reconsider C4S.
 
There is already a drought of content with so few sources of new material available.

This latest trend doesn't bode well for the future. No wonder no one wants (is able) to produce content for sale.
 
There is already a drought of content with so few sources of new material available.

This latest trend doesn't bode well for the future. No wonder no one wants (is able) to produce content for sale.
From my end I have observed that there are two forces working against content creation in the traditional sense.

First for the ladies is OnlyFans / Loyalfans and similar sites which tends to encourage self creation of content for their followers. And related I have seen several former photographers switching to AI creation, because you don't need to find a model for that. but it distributes differently in that case because of the lower cost for the creator (I DON'T do AI myself, since the early 2000's which did not produce the results of today). Thus it has become harder to find models who are not already making enough money off their own content sites.

And then Second has been the restrictions going into place on a state-by-state basis in the USA. the need to give up your personal information to prove you are an adult. This is also having a secondary effect of reducing desire to produce content at the moment. That society is allowing these restrictions shows that the demand for such content is lowering at the moment as well.

Combine both of those and you end up with a lowering of supply for the market.

Given the cyclical nature of ANY market and especially adult ones, I would have hope that in 10 or 20 years it will be on the rise again, but likely in a different nature than of today.
 
The restrictions are insane and they are auditing stores now on c4s. Many simply wont risk making content that could be deemed as too dark even when it is not.
 
Oh and Onlyfans? You cannot even have food in the scene with a person. No lettuce or even fake veggies allowed near a nude model. And forget uploading any performers who do not also have an OF and are verified Even if you follow their insane consent form and ID rules for submission, they WILL reject it no matter what if the performer has no onlyfans page.

It's really only good for simple and very tame solo stuff. OR tame stuff with other verified OF people.
 
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As a consumer, I find myself discouraged from sending any money to OnlyFans because A) I feel like they gouge me with exchange rate and taxes that are questionable, it is like a 70% markup ... want to send $10 to your favorite performer? That'll be $17. B) They give absolutely zero fucks about the concept of "discreet billing". Just blaze giant "ONLY FANS" across every line item on your bank statements for everyone to see. C) Their service is completely unoptimized for an ideal content delivery experience ... despite all the money the rake in, it hasn't evolved one bit beyond a simple instant messenger format.

They got rich selling porn, but they're too embarrassed to acknowledge it and yet too greedy to give it up.

anyways /rant off.
 
Speaking of consistent content delivery, now is a good time to shoutout Agatha for continuing to regularly publish new content to buy.
=That is in spite of all the hurdles and challenges encumbering sustainability which have driven away everyone else from creating content.
 
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I dont like Onlyfans because you cant download the porn. Agree with me or not. Thats what I think.
That's an option I would like to see on onlyfans sometime in the future even if I have to pay extra per download. I used to buy downloads on pornhub models until the banks decided to stop processing payments to the pornhub network and recently had problem making payment to teamskeet network the bank blocked my payment twice last week even when i payed using epoch, manyvids is a good site for buying download content never had a problem with that yet
 
I wish more ppl used bitcoin. Then I would have no restrictions on how dark and crazy I make the special FX.
 
I'd used bitcoin more, but it'd probably means buying less ... because honestly, sometimes my financial decisions are based on how lazy I feel in the moment.

The threshold to whether I buy something which I'm on the fence about is sometimes a matter of whether I push 3 buttons and get it done right now, or go through a process of transacting in bitcoin which is multiple steps and then I wait for it.

In fact, I should be probably doing more bitcoin ... if not for how lazy I am. It would probably save me money by not buying as impulsively.
 
I'm personally too lazy for it also. It is too much trouble. Maybe that will change one day
 
I would fund/pay for something in bitcoin in advance if it was planned ahead and I already know I'll buy it.

But, its bad for casual impulse shopping because I'm lazy.
 
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